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And so, by this statement, you would then agree that so-called time travelers are also contributing nothing when they bring negative predictions for the future? Which is exaxtly what I was getting at in my last reply to you.

If you do not agree with this statement, then I ask you to clarify why it is OK to have negative gloom & doom predictions of the future and NOT OK to have negative views of the people who bring them.

In fact, in reviewing the posts of the day I see you have also brought some negative statements to the latest time travel hoaxer. But I suppose you must think your negative statements are somehow "funny" or otherwise "good"? Help me out here, because right now I see you as a hypocrite.

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You are getting away from the point- and the point is that every single one of your posts is an attack on someone for something they wrote. Are you going to own up to this obvious claim, or obscure it with more of your doubletalk? Inquiring minds want to know.

>>And so... you agree that so-called time travelers are also contributing nothing when they bring negative predictions for the future? Which is exaxtly what I was getting at in my last reply to you.<<

First it's "exactly", not "exaxtly" and secondly, no- you're wrong. And for the hundreth time- THIS IS A TIME TRAVELING FORUM- EXACTLY THE PLACE WHERE A TIME TRAVELER SHOULD FEEL AT HOME.

>>If you do not agree with this statement, then I ask you to clarify why it is OK to have negative gloom & doom predictions of the future and NOT OK to have negative views of the people who bring them.<<

There is a difference. Every time traveleling claim has two parts: the claim itself and the message the claim brings. Case in point- you can't call yourself a time traveler unless you can explain time traveling. If you can't tell us "how you got here" then there's no difference between your claim and that of a hoaxter- at that point you're nothing more than another Zeshua: someone with a story and no story to back the story up with- in other words you're a sham: something only fools follow.

>>In fact, in reviewing the posts of the day I see you have also brought some negative statements to the latest time travel hoaxer.<<

Yes- that is the difference between you and I: you do nothing but shoot your coprolite and I do nothing but point out the illogic of the statements presented. Ultimately I will always win because I have more to offer than my rant; you are nothing more than undirected hatred towards anyone and everyone at anytime for any reason.

>>But I suppose you must think your negative statements are somehow "funny" or otherwise "good"? Help me out here, because right now I see you as a hypocrite.<<

As I told CigMan very recently, my god is logic. God is nothing if not right and "righteousness" is nothing if not logical. As such, God- if nothing else- is logical. As such, I point out illogic whenever I see it, simply because it is illogical.

You, on the other hand, exist to ignore 99% of the posts and indiscriminately attack the remaining 1% with your righteousness. Another word for this is "blind ignorance".

>>Help me out here, because right now I see you as a hypocrite.<<

I will happily help you out. If all you can do is bring negativity to the issue at hand, then what's left unsaid is better left unsaid. But if you can point out the illogic (and within lies the stupidity), then you're better off burning yourself out on some other forum: if all you can do is flame other people then this place is BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU.

And by looking at EVERY SINGLE POST YOU'VE POSTED HERE, you've done nothing more than attack people, and in that case, THIS FORUM IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU IN IT.

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In response to: You're joking, right? Do you want me to start a list? OK, I will start one. And I probably will only get so far in this post. But you go ahead and feel free to start showing how any of this can be proven true. I'll even number them for you.


Well making this list proves nothing. You can't prove yourself if any of it is wrong. Nor can I.

I know some of it has happened, lets take a look....


1) We have warned you 2 times before.Did you listen? No!! -- can not prove for sure, but a guy by the name of Qronos 1 made several post on the net last year 2005.

2) My name is Wyatt and I was born 11-3-2041.I come from the year 2065.2 of my years ago another one came here on a mission that was a secret one.------ can't prove one way or another.

3) So now group 6 of 10 or Qronos16 which is 3 people to a Qronos unit have been sent to pick up the efforts of the resistance in this time line. (Ed: Why is group 6 of 10 Qronos16? Why not Qronos6?) ---- can't prove one way or another

4) Right now you are loosing your right and what remains of the United States Of America.If you do not stop it the boarders of the USA will go away and you will be known as the Americas. (Ed: Note misspelling of "losing"....Qronos is edumacated, no?)------ True the North American Union is a fact. Watch Lou Dobbs on CNN sometime and you will see this is coming true.

5) The middle class of this country will be destroyed and the economy will buckle and fall.----- True watch Lou Dobbs on CNN sometime and you will see this is coming true.

6) Not to mention the race wars that are about to start. Not true so far.

7) I'm sure you think this is all bull.Is it?I could be a nut right?Or I could be telling the truth.Which is it?I will tell you this is the truth. (Ed: No need trying to prove that this is bull. I believe that. But go ahead and prove he was telling the truth.) ?????------------

8) You are all going to be marked soon. (Ed: Vague, but based on later posts of his you would have to assume he meant being "chipped")---- True several ways of chipping people have been mention over the past 2 months on CNN, Fox, Drudge Report, and the NWO Report website's.

9) Scott gave you the details of what is to come, and after he came home and saw that not much had changed, he fought for 2 years for another mission to this time. No way to prove.

10) The new bill that just passed is one big step in the direction of the NEW WORLD ORDER.If it passes all the way, the middle class people of this nation will be destroyed. -----True

11) The globalist will then have a reason to chip the illegals.Then laws will be passed to chip kids.Then adults. Not true so far.

12) It is known that building 7 was blown up to conceal the high tech equipment that was in that building to home the plains in on the targets. (Ed: He refers to WTC building 7)----- I could go on for years about this topic but needless to say how many buildings have you seen fall from a fire like that??? I will answer for you 3 all on Sept 11 2001. Not to mention a high rise building in Spain burned for 19 hours in 2005 and never fell. The whole building was one big fire.

13) By making Illegal Aliens legal, or amnesty. (Ed: By the way, history since Qronos has proven this one is NOT true. No amnesty was passed.) Wrong, that is true and since the Democrats have taken over the house and senate Fox CNN and all the major news channels say that the bill will now be passed.

14) Jobs will require you to have a chip to get into work or clock in.----- True more and more reports from around the country have been coming up about Jobs requiring you to have good credit to work for them.

15) call Alex Jones and ask him how he knew that the world trade center was going to be attacked 2 days before it happened. He has proof he knew and said it on the air 2 days before it happened on his show. (Ed: This has also been proven to be false) ---- How has this been proven false???

16) Before the year 2000 Art and his wife took $80,000 and some gold and buried it in the ground at his home.----- can't prove one way or another yet.

17) You can list all the links you want, but the facts are over 70% of Americans no longer believe the official story of the government. (Ed: I believe in this very thread his facts were shown to be untrue)--- And yet he corrected himself.

18) No one has explained why building 7 fell? (Ed: I believe the 9-11 report did explain it.) Again you show you know nothing, the 9-11 report has been changed 5 times.

19) New Orleans is the city of the dead in 2065. Why does it have that name? It's not there anymore. That city will be wiped off the map. (Ed: Not proven as yet, and no way to prove it.)--- Agree no way to prove yet.

20) The US stock market will make it all the way to 12ooo and then some and crash big. (Ed: Here is a big one. Not happened, and not proveable.) Wrong it did reach 12,000 but has not crashed yet as he stated. By the way you spelled provable wrong.

21) Some of the "Time Travelers" that has posted on this board and other boards are real. (Ed: Have fun proving that one.)---- Agree you can't prove that.

22) Alex Jones was contacted before that day in 2001 by a Time Traveler and given info on what was going to take place that day. He then warned people on his talk show about what was going to happen 2 days before it took place. Alex did warn people before it happened but never told anyone how he knew it was going to happen.

23) Time Travel starts in the 2030's--- No way to prove this.

24) I'm me John is who John is. Scott is who Scott is. Yes John did loose his temper. Did he loose it the way others have? (Ed: None of this is proveable. And he still has a problem with "lose"). Yes he still has a problem with loose just as you have a problem with provable.

25) The answer to your question is New Orleans will be hit again by a storm soon. (Ed: "Soon"?)---- Not happened yet. He was vague with the time on this.

26) The death told from Katrina is closer to 7000. The government for some reason never gave a number. I wonder why?

27) This year I would also be looking up to the North East at New York City. (Ed: For what? The year's almost up)----- Nothing has happened in the northeast.

28) In my time gold is the big thing. No way to prove.

29) In the coming days I will post things here on this board that will come to pass.--- He has.

30) Someone asked me if newspapers are still around. Yes, the news is transmitted right onto the newspaper itself from the net. (Ed: Wouldn't even know how to go about proving that one.)---- No way to prove.

31) Solar cells are 70% more effective then they are now.---- Can not prove but very possible.

32) Yes this is true.

33) The NWO is that which is trying to kill the United States Of America and turn it into The American Union, and kill the US Dollar and turn it into the Amero. In my past this is how it went down. (Ed: How you gonna prove that?)----- Again the new money Amero has been mention on CNN, and even Fox news.

34) With the Mexican thing going on now, this is what they are trying to use to get the civil unrest started. Can not prove yet.

35) The United States Of America is almost dead!!! The American Union will replace it.--- Agree this is true.

36) What will happen? Once the AU is established and even before, all the animals in the USA will be chipped and tracked. Then the Mexicans will be chipped then the kids will be chipped to keep them safe. After that all of you. If you do not take the chipped you will not be able to get a job. True they are already talking about chipping all the animals. CNN had a report on this very subject a month ago.

37) Troops will be on the American streets and there will be Marshall law. (Ed: I believe he meant "martial law".) Not happened yet.

38) The market will reach 12000 and then crash big!!!

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Well, it certainly does look like, for the most part, you agree with me that these things cannot be proven. And that was the point of mine you seemed to be contesting.

"Well making this list proves nothing. "

I never claimed it would prove anything. You asked for the list.

"You can't prove yourself if any of it is wrong. Nor can I."

I don't have to prove any of it is wrong, as they are not my claims. I merely said that these claims, among others, are not provable. Let's review: I said Qronos bought into a bunch of conspiracy claptrap that cannot be proven true. You asked "And what is it that can not be proven true???" and so I gave you this list. Please don't try to make this something other than what it is.

"I know some of it has happened, lets take a look...."

It is clear when you use words like "can't prove one way or another yet" and "Can not prove yet" that you are actually agreeing with what I said. As for the other ones where you claim they are "true" absolutely nothing you have offered is proof of any of the claims Qronos has made. For example, just because Lou Dobbs says something may happen is not proof that it has happened. And other replies you have offered are what is called logical fallacy. You are claiming one event is somehow proof for something Qronos said which was quite different. I can provide examples if you insist, but I think they are pretty apparant. But let's keep it simple. You asked which ones couldn't be proven, I gave you at least a partial list, and you agreed on a good many of them. My case is closed.

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In response to: just because Lou Dobbs says something may happen is not proof that it has happened.

It's not my fault you don't know what is going on in the world. As for Lou Dobbs, he is not the only one reporting on the American Union or the chipping of animals and humans. As I stated before, Qronos got allot of things right, how he did that is beyond me. And I'm not trying to make this into anything, I simply pointed out that some of the things he stated are coming to pass.

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"I simply pointed out that some of the things he stated are coming to pass."

And none of what you say is proof of his actual predictions. As I said, my case is closed.

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Again it's not my problem you don't know what is going on in the world. Here is one story about the American Union: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53378

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SUPREME COURT

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Well China is going First...

If, indeed, the Chinese dump $3 trillion in reserves.

see http://www.halturnershow.com/ChinaToDumpUSDollars.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/15/AR2006121501404.html

Welcome to the Amero? and the UA -United America /Canada/USA/Mex????

regards
waiting for a pink timetraveler.......

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Yes it's true, we have all been had.

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"If, indeed, the Chinese dump $3 trillion in reserves. "

Well, it certainly didn't happen on Monday, as predicted, now did it? There is this nasty form of crime called "attempted market manipulation" that some may be aware of. One clue to recognize when someone is trying to manipulate a market is when you hear of "unidentified sources close to a government negotiating team" who are passing on "inside information" for people to take action on. Another clue is when you hear such things revealed on commercial radio and/or TV rather than from a bona fide news outlet. My guess is that the person who was trying to manipulate the market with these clearly inaccurate words was a gold peddler. Imagine that!

Currency markets, especially with respect to the dollar, are tricky things. The "big lever" that the US uses to attempt to control the strength or weakness of the US$ is short-term interest rates. That really is the ONLY "lever" the FED has to do so. Furthermore, I think the economists in China know what would be in store for their own economy if they suddenly dumped the dollar and caused it to tank. Not only would this serve to REDUCE the US trade deficit with them (because the dollar would drop in value), but it would idle a significant portion of their manufacturing base. Who would they sell all their consumer stuff to? The US and China are linked at the hip. As goes the US economy, so goes China. Don't believe me? Ask the Japanese. In the Reagan era the US had large trade deficits with Japan. And when those trade deficits even began to level off in the early to mid 90s, and Japan had made some bad real estate deals, all that was left for Japan to save its economy from disaster was to devalue the yen. And then came 1997 and the broad asian economic downturn. In my view, I think China knows the score. They need a market to sell the ever-increasing manufacturing base to. That market (the biggest market) is the USA.

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That's exactly right. Even though China has 250 missiles with thermonuclear warheads aimed in our direction, not to worry. One of the more reliable likelihoods in life is that nobody is going to alienate or damage their best customer.

If you could get religion out of the Middle East (it seems impossible) business between nations would thrive and everyone would benefit. They still might not like each other, but business comes first.

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It appears we have a scholar who understands international economic relations in our new globally-connected economy. I would also like to add, for those who insist on swallowing the rumors of market manipulators, that some simple googling is all that is required to see that "people" have been making this same general prediction ("China is going to sell a lot of dollars") for at least the last two years now. At least two such articles did, in fact, appear on websites that encourage gold purchases and that actually will sell you gold. What I find most interesting is that these "predictions" have occurred like clockwork in December of 2005, December of 2004, and the first one I found was in December of 2003. Pattern or just coincidence? I'll leave that to the economically-savvy.

And I would also like to point out that the knowledge I share on this topic comes from my wife, who received her MBA in economics from the University of Chicago. If you do a little research on the number of Nobel laureates in economics that have come from this institution, you will understand why people who come out of this program are highly sought-out for their deep understanding of macroeconomics.

In Response to: As for Art Bell, well Art Bell is a man of many secrets. Things that will shock his fans. Big mistake moving to where he moved.


He called it! Art said this past weekend he should have stayed in the USA and that he will stay here for good.

Well looks like they are talking about chipping the little ones now:

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01290.html

That is a new warning.
This man is telling the only truth. The world needs to know what is next in the mind revolution of the man.

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When you time travel to the past and then go back to the time in which you came from in the future, things are not always the same as before. For example, Qronos 16 said the Stock Market would hit 12000 and then some and crash. But I tell you now the market will go over 13000 and then this economy will break and fall!! I must say Qronos seems to have been from the future. The things that will come up on this nation will be for all the lies and wrong this nation has done in this world. For now I will tell you this, the war is not far off now and the deception is soon to happen. Do not be fooled by the deception that will come soon!! Stand strong and you will be safe.

In the hindsight of this new economic depression one has to wonder about the validity of qronos16s words.

Amongst other things considering scott as qronos1.

mop , you may of just had your hit here again

He did call the true valuation of the dow at 6500 or there abouts....and the bottom crashed at 6500.07
That kind of accuracy should give anyone a second pause especially considering the unpredictability of economics.

The Qronos twins had other hits on their predictions too.... they had misses as well but those hits..... I mean holy moly That economic call was down to the .01 correct....

John Titor wasn't the only one.. he just got to be the first to post online about it.

It was an interesting call but it does beg the question:

Is it unprecidented for a market analyst to call top or bottom DOW movement resistence at a point of even 1000's or even 500's? The answer, unfortunately is no. It's not a difficult call. The stock markets are driven by both financial fundamentals and investor psychology. Take a look at the market resistence for the DOW to break 10,000 in 1998-1999. Analysts tend to call for both market tops and bottoms on even 500's and 1000's. Shakers and movers tend to get nervous when the market trends to those limits. They jump in at psychological bottoms and get out at psychological tops. So in a sense the analysts' calls become a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy. The range is generally an accurate view of the fundamental financial issues driving the market. The specific number (500, 1000) is psychological.

Remember, the DOW is a very specific industrial market index. There are only 40 companies in the DOW. Big and market influential companys indeed. But still only 40.

So, while I'm not completely downplaying the call, it was in line with the psychological call for a market bottom. A lot more evidence would have to be offered for me to be impressed to the point that I'd say it had to be time travel related.